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Post by carminemike on Jul 29, 2020 21:38:18 GMT
Anyone on here tried an Edelbrock 1404 on the Stag engine?
I read of someone on the FB forum who had fitted one but no idea how it performed..
Its quite different to the Holley (I had fitted a while back). A lot of people who have it on the Rover engine reckon it’s a better performer than the Holley.
Not that ive got one, just thinking which is always dangerous - LOL!
Cheers
Mike
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newtothis
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Post by newtothis on Jul 29, 2020 22:12:35 GMT
Mike
wouldnt that carb be to big for the Stag
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Post by richardthestag on Jul 30, 2020 9:33:38 GMT
Holley do a really useful CFM guide on choosing the right carb from their range for your engine and intentions. www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/carburetors/There are also a few half decent youtube videos of folk who know about such stuff. Too big a carb will be as bad as too small etc etc Personally I would suggest that the edelbrock 1404 at 500cfm is too big for the 3litre stag The smallest Holley is 4160 390cfm. I am building up a 3.5 RV8 for my next Range Rover project with this carb on an Edelbrock manifold. Should be a laugh |
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Post by petethestag on Jul 30, 2020 11:09:56 GMT
Does the Edelbrock 1404, (or the Holley) cause crankcase pressurisation?
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Post by bullstarz on Jul 30, 2020 11:47:36 GMT
Why not look at the EFI bolt on conversions. There 4 that I know of; Holley Sniper Edelbrock's Pro-Flo 3 EFI system FiTech Go EFI Fuel Injection System MSD Ignition Atomic EFI Master Kit All do the same sort of thing, a bolt on replacement for the carb. Most will/may possibly require a different inlet manifold along with other sensors. Some will also control the ignition as well. They seem reasonable in price for what you get, plus it will look almost standard under the bonnet, providing it all fits.   bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-triumph-stag-14/ |
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Post by petethestag on Jul 30, 2020 11:53:03 GMT
Interesting. Does EFI cause crankcase pressurisation?
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Post by bullstarz on Jul 30, 2020 12:12:34 GMT
Well as I think they are all made in the good old U S of A then no. They still have lynch mobs with guns so they wouldn't design anything that bad and get the Red neck all wound up.
The Edelbrock's Pro-Flo 4 EFI seems even better as its fully sequential injection, has 8 injectors. Don't know if theres a manifold to fit the Stag but on paper it seems very good. If they do a system to fit it will be around £2000, which would be good value and save so much time compared to designing one yourself. Plus everything will made to work together as one system so a lot less chance of it going wrong.
Also if it made for Americans to fit there will be a good idiots guide for fitment.
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Post by Kryten on Jul 30, 2020 12:41:38 GMT
I have bought the Sniper 2300 master kit for my Stag, when I was in the States last year - talking to the guys in the “performance shop” they reckoned any of the 4 barrel Snipers would have difficulty getting enough manifold vacuum for a decent idle MAP reading, and as the two barrel 2300 kit is good for a 289 Stang/Falcon and 350 brake.
The full system, including harnesses, fuel pump, filters and fitting (no swirl pot but got that separately) plus the natty little tuning/info screen cost me the $ equivalent of £1060 plus carting it around in the states for two weeks on the back seat of a convertible Stang and sneaking it through customs
Still haven’t got it fitted yet, but SWMBO has had me doing all sorts of crap during lockdown instead of playing, and she also wants it mobile for those escape days out
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 30, 2020 12:45:44 GMT
I find finely grinding sleeping tablets up in her meal gives me more time to play on the car LOL
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Post by petethestag on Jul 30, 2020 13:25:48 GMT
OK with EFI where wuld you connect the cam cover breather?
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Post by petethestag on Jul 30, 2020 14:16:14 GMT
I have bought the Sniper 2300 master kit for my Stag, when I was in the States last year - talking to the guys in the “performance shop” they reckoned any of the 4 barrel Snipers would have difficulty getting enough manifold vacuum for a decent idle MAP reading, and as the two barrel 2300 kit is good for a 289 Stang/Falcon and 350 brake. The full system, including harnesses, fuel pump, filters and fitting (no swirl pot but got that separately) plus the natty little tuning/info screen cost me the $ equivalent of £1060 plus carting it around in the states for two weeks on the back seat of a convertible Stang and sneaking it through customs Still haven’t got it fitted yet, but SWMBO has had me doing all sorts of crap during lockdown instead of playing, and she also wants it mobile for those escape days out I think that 2300 one looks right for the stag. wlt see it running. |
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Post by bullstarz on Jul 30, 2020 14:16:55 GMT
I have bought the Sniper 2300 master kit for my Stag, when I was in the States last year - talking to the guys in the “performance shop” they reckoned any of the 4 barrel Snipers would have difficulty getting enough manifold vacuum for a decent idle MAP reading, and as the two barrel 2300 kit is good for a 289 Stang/Falcon and 350 brake. The full system, including harnesses, fuel pump, filters and fitting (no swirl pot but got that separately) plus the natty little tuning/info screen cost me the $ equivalent of £1060 plus carting it around in the states for two weeks on the back seat of a convertible Stang and sneaking it through customs Still haven’t got it fitted yet, but SWMBO has had me doing all sorts of crap during lockdown instead of playing, and she also wants it mobile for those escape days out Will be interesting to see how it all goes and the results achieved. As it is a cheap/reasonable easy conversion. As for the cam cover/crank breather more or likely you would have to route it into the intake. Or get a catch tank, the one i have from the cam covers doesn't show any residue. The one for the dry sump does get quite a bit, one thing ill have to look at. |
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Post by Kryten on Jul 30, 2020 16:42:53 GMT
There is a port for crankcase breathing on the throttle body, similar place to the stock 289 carb adapter plate - will run it through a pcv and possibly a small catch tank to run condensed oil straight back to the RH cam cover spout and back in the engine
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Post by petethestag on Jul 30, 2020 17:08:31 GMT
There is a port for crankcase breathing on the throttle body, similar place to the stock 289 carb adapter plate - will run it through a pcv and possibly a small catch tank to run condensed oil straight back to the RH cam cover spout and back in the engine OK thanks for that. |
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Post by carminemike on Jul 30, 2020 20:33:24 GMT
Cheers for all this info,
I was just looking at the Edelbrock as an idea as reading about it it operates in a different way to the Holley 390 (which I used to have fitted) in that the secondaries are not just vacuum operated but part mechanical, not sure how this is a plus point or not but I read about a guy in NZ I think it’s as who head one fitted and reckoned on it being a good unit.
Having said this, the idea of FI is probably a good one except the restrictions of the standard manifold probably weigh against any advantages.
I looked back to at some previous comments on the SOC site and Stagmuffin I think it was said he ran the Holley through a catch tank back into the air filter with no problems at all which is (excluding the catch tank) how Tony Hart fitted the Holley to my car originally.
Cheers
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